Posted by newbie67 on Sat, Mar 29, 2014, at 12:00 PM:
Anybody have any ideas about why today's athletes seem so angry. Game winning shot? Angry. Dunk? Angry. Interception? Angry. Block a shot? Angry. I just don't understand. I thought sports were supposed to be fun. Why so much anger?
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Selfishness and greed. By the time they get to college and beyond its less about fun and more about self. The seahawk thug is a microcosm of the average athlete. In his postgame rant he never mentioned his team or being grateful for having the athleticism to help his team win. And thats the attitude most, but not all, modern athletes have at all times. I know hockeys not super popular but there is where you still find players hungry to do whats best for the team. Not much thuggery in hockey, despite the occasional on ice brawl.
-- Posted by cirithungol17 on Sat, Mar 29, 2014, at 12:31 PM
Sometimes it takes intensity to win games. Winning games is usually fun. Maybe.. Kobe Bryant could be a good example?
-- Posted by Bill Shakespeare on Sat, Mar 29, 2014, at 6:20 PM
Don't misunderstand anger for intensity. Think Bob Gibson!
-- Posted by Bogey Man on Sun, Mar 30, 2014, at 6:52 AM
I agree that it takes intensity to win games, and I was as intense as anybody else when I played high school basketball, but I never felt the need to get in somebody's face when I made a good play. It's very rare that we see a smile on the football field or the basketball court anymore. I've seen intense and I've seen angry, and I know that you can be and look intense without being and looking angry.
-- Posted by newbie67 on Sun, Mar 30, 2014, at 7:57 AM
Really? You're looking for smiles?
-- Posted by highballs on Sun, Mar 30, 2014, at 3:00 PM
Nope. Not "looking" for smiles , but I'd rather see a smile than the anger we see all the time. Sports are supposed to be fun. They're games.
-- Posted by newbie67 on Sun, Mar 30, 2014, at 3:24 PM
cirithungol17, I think I see what you mean- not much "thuggery" in hockey, not really much in auto racing or rodeo, either. I think I'm kind of getting your point, and what you mean by the term "thuggery," as well as what your main issue might really be.
-- Posted by Lippy Radeck on Sun, Mar 30, 2014, at 5:03 PM
Lippy ....I got the same message u did....not hard to figure cirithungal out....bet this person lives in Dexter area.
-- Posted by indian73 on Sun, Mar 30, 2014, at 5:17 PM
Great point, 73. We all know that Dexter is the only town in the Southeast Missouri area that has a perceived racist in it's midst. Good call.
-- Posted by Coach Becker on Sun, Mar 30, 2014, at 7:03 PM
No thuggery in hockey?? That's funny. Just watched 2 fights and a very cheap shot. There are more vicious "cheap" shots in hockey than any other sport. To me that's thuggish.
-- Posted by crackerjack on Sun, Mar 30, 2014, at 8:30 PM
I dont know ciri other than from this website but he/she is no racist. That is a sad accusation and far from the point of this forum.
-- Posted by IndianPride on Sun, Mar 30, 2014, at 10:47 PM
I agree with IndianPride. Yeah I know why today's generation seems angry, just look at some of the responses on here. We live in an angry dominated society.
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Sun, Mar 30, 2014, at 11:12 PM
I agree with Indian and Buck. Pretty sure a thug could be any race. Thug is how a person acts. I read no race in that when I read it. Sad world
-- Posted by TFA on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 4:31 AM
You want to know why you see that, because right now those are the guys that win. The guys that have an attitude about themselves at all times on the court. Seattle has an attitude about themselves they play angry to motivate keep moving and won the super bowl. For the NBA looks at the celtics, lakers, and heat those championship teams had an attitude about themselves. This didnt start today it started years ago and young athletes of today's time are modeling themselves after it because they see that it works. Your over generalizing most of the guys you see that act angry on the playing field probably dont act they same way in their normal lives. Me personally i love seeing the fire come out of guys. Richard Shermans rant has been completely overblown; Crabtree and Sherman have a heated rivalry, and to go up to him at that moment, when he just stopped his number one rival from moving to the Super Bowl, was not wise and the interviewer did a horrible job. A former player would have gotten him back on track, but at the same point in time there would have been many more to come out and said what he did in that instance. To call him a thug is ludacris don't be so quick to forget the guy graduated from Standford University and had a 4.2 GPA in high school. Standford doesnt just let football players in they have to earn the grades. He came from compton the attitude he shows he has had to have for his survival and it has made him a superstar in the NFL.
-- Posted by CTpride on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 9:38 AM
CTpride---He didn't just graduate from Stanford, he got a Masters from Stanford. Extremely intelligent guy. He knows exactly what he is doing.
-- Posted by crackerjack on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 9:51 AM
Yeah and he cashing in too lol while his name keeps coming up in stuff like this he is selling t-shirts, and bracelets, and getting ready for that fat contract he's going to get next off season.
-- Posted by CTpride on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 10:40 AM
Oops didnt mean to mislead anybody, my main point was selfishness and greed. I need to stop using the term "thug", it meant something different back in my day. For example, brian bosworth was the epitome of what i an referring to, back in my day. I just feel that when i see hoops players celebrating dunks when theyre down twenty or dbacks celebrating big hits at the end of a thirty point drubbing, its selfishness. My bad, i watch too many mafia movies i guess haha! No harm intended.
-- Posted by cirithungol17 on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 10:42 AM
Standford? where's that?
-- Posted by Thot McGee on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 10:50 AM
So because he went to Stanford he couldn't be a thug. So smart people can't be thugs?
-- Posted by BIGELW on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 12:30 PM
They probably could be but Richard Sherman isn't one. He's just very intelligent and knows how the game is played and plays both very well.
-- Posted by crackerjack on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 1:08 PM
Well his absolutely childish tirade on national tv spoke to me of extreme selfishness and total disregard for his fellow teammates, who had been battling their behinds off the entire game. His angry insults had me believing that he was more of an emotionally challenged individual rather than an intelligent stanford grad. I agree above that bob gibson was an intense TEAMmate whereas some of todays athletes are intense INDIVIDUALS, looking to market themSELVES, thus my greed reference.
-- Posted by cirithungol17 on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 1:23 PM
Never said he wasn't greedy either. Just said IN MY OPINION he is not a thug. He's a very intelligent guy who knows how to play the games. Many people confuse greed with winning. Like the kindergarten kid who wins all the marbles. He's called greedy because he won't "share" with the rest of the losers. When Sherman is on the field he plays the game to win. I haven't heard any of his teammates that had any issues with what he did and that's what matters. He got the money and the ring whioh is why they play the game.
-- Posted by crackerjack on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 1:37 PM
Yah i agree he's not a thug, bad choice of word in this day and age. Sounds like anger issues more than likely.
-- Posted by cirithungol17 on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 2:40 PM
If I recall correctly, Joe Montana was a pretty good quarterback who won 3 Super Bowls but didnt feel the need to try and show someone up with words. So you can be a winner without being angry. Dr J is another example of someone who let his ability speak for itself.
-- Posted by newbie67 on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 5:46 PM
Newbie are you sure about that? Dr. J was a fierce competitor! Take a look at this pic/article. Smack talk on the court isn't personal thing. It's just a way to get an edge.
This doesn't make any one of these players a thug they were just super competitive, and this happens. People like newbie has changed society, not saying wrong or right just saying different.
To me players are way nicer than ever before. In the past when we crossed the line it was on, and no friends. Then afterwards you could be respectful but on the court, no sir. I think today's society just sees it more, and we have become so much more sensitive to these type of things.
-- Posted by Radar99 on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 8:27 PM
Here's a video of it. I have the poster of this fight in my office.
-- Posted by Radar99 on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 8:30 PM
Walt, I'm not talking about these kinds of incidents. I'm talking about a constant attitude. Again, there's no reason to come across as angry or enraged just because you've dunked on someone or blocked a shot. Most of the time these guys look like idiots when they've blocked a shot into the stands instead of trying to control the ball. Then after the block they act enraged like they're ready to kill the world. Dr J was a fierce competitor but he didn't portray the predominant attitude of today's players. And just to make sure there's no confusion, I never said anyone is a thug. And I'm also not sure how I've changed society.
-- Posted by newbie67 on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 10:14 PM
I guess we grew up watching different sports. Players like MJ, Isiah Thomas and the rest of the bad boys, Deacon Jones, the Knicks with Ewing and Pacers with Reggie Miller were built on this attitude, the Georgetown teams with Ewing the same thing,the Fab Five, even Christain Laettner and Bobby Hurley had an attitude. I could go on, and on. Think you are just glorfying the past. And didn't say you changed society, but people who think like you have changed. If you don't agree coaches from years ago couldn't get away with half the stuff they do today.
-- Posted by Radar99 on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 10:56 PM
Buck...cannot believe u can't c what ciri is really saying...u seem to be defending an obvious racial motivated comment..wake up to the real se Missouri attitude..which is same as miss./ala/geo/la....which is not people of color friendly.
-- Posted by indian73 on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 11:34 PM
73. That's ridiculous.
This whole racial turn that this forum has taken is also ridiculous.
Pro players in this day and time are mostly idiots with no concept of the real world and the message they convey to our youth is unacceptable to me.
They have been entitled since a young age and when things dont go their way they act out like 3 year olds.
Not the message I want my young kids to see!
-- Posted by IndianPride on Tue, Apr 1, 2014, at 12:29 AM
No worries indianpride, let him rant. There are two or three folks on semoball who seem to have a radar for anything that remotely resembles racism and then they go ballistic as if they are trying to save the world. Plus, as i have already mentioned twice, my original post was poorly worded and i understand how these two or three warriors could have misconstrued my intentions. I'll never forget when one of em threw down the racism card on a couple posters just because they were upset that Haith hadnt won a tourney game yet, haha! There's a few in every crowd i guess, and theyre never wrong in their own minds.
-- Posted by cirithungol17 on Tue, Apr 1, 2014, at 12:49 AM
No ranting here....just simple facts...if the shoe fits wear it.
-- Posted by indian73 on Tue, Apr 1, 2014, at 1:03 AM
My point exactly haha!!
-- Posted by cirithungol17 on Tue, Apr 1, 2014, at 1:13 AM
Walt, what did you mean when you said "people like newbie has changed society"?
-- Posted by newbie67 on Tue, Apr 1, 2014, at 7:49 AM
In case you missed it the first time, "And didn't say you changed society, but people who think like you have changed." From the second post. It's pretty obvious that times have changed, and as I said it's not for better or worse just different. Many schools don't give swats anymore, is a perfect example of how times have changed. Not saying one is right, or wrong, just saying different.
-- Posted by Radar99 on Tue, Apr 1, 2014, at 10:45 AM
Actually, Walt, you in your first post, you wrote
" People like newbie has changed society, not saying wrong or right just saying different."
Now, I'm no English scholar, but that sounds a whole lot like you're saying that I and people like me have changed society, and I still don't know how. Nevertheless, I'll go back to my opinion about Joe Montana and Dr. J. They did not exhibit the same kind of ongoing attitude on the field or court that players today do, just like Peyton Manning doesn't exhibit the same kind of attitude and anger that Richard Sherman shows. And just like IndianPride, I don't want my kids to act the way most professional athletes act today.
-- Posted by newbie67 on Tue, Apr 1, 2014, at 11:35 AM
Newbie I know you aren't an English scholar, in my second post I explained what I meant. And you notice I said people LIKE newbie, not you. For you to think this is a new behavior, is true ignorance. I am done with this troll, go enjoy rainbows and lollipops and giving everyone trophies.
-- Posted by Radar99 on Tue, Apr 1, 2014, at 12:35 PM
I think the OP may be referring to the "look at me" attitude displayed by so many of today's athletes. They make one play and feel the need to show off and draw attention to themselves instead of just playing on. It doesn't matter if their team is winning or losing. It's all about the one play THEY just made. It's just the "me first" attitude that's become so prevalent today.
-- Posted by oldroundballer on Wed, Apr 2, 2014, at 11:35 AM
Most of the time when someone is calling out race this race that they are usually the racist themselves..
Most of those ppl you listed cheer for schools with almost 50/50 ethnicity..
I'm sure them being black has anything to do with it... ignorant
I'm glad I'm from a whole different generation
-- Posted by formerposterchild on Wed, Apr 2, 2014, at 10:12 PM
Haha i didnt name any names but of course they just couldnt stay away from this!! Well said posterchild, usually those throwing down the racist card are the true haters. But lets not let em ruin semoball. Like i said, theres only two or three of em and its just not worth the trouble.
-- Posted by cirithungol17 on Thu, Apr 3, 2014, at 12:17 AM
By the way, i loved mike anderson and hated quin snyder and have no opinion yet on haith. So i guess im a racist against white coaches, according to Deano.
-- Posted by cirithungol17 on Thu, Apr 3, 2014, at 12:21 AM
Im having a difficult time translating ur post, but i can live with agreeing to disagree!
-- Posted by cirithungol17 on Thu, Apr 3, 2014, at 9:32 AM
Heeheeee its all good!
-- Posted by cirithungol17 on Thu, Apr 3, 2014, at 10:01 AM
Well the ones usually calling out the person who's calling out the person who called out the person for being a racist is usually the TRUE racist hahahahahaha
Should check out the movie called the goon with Stifler that's thuggery
-- Posted by formerposterchild on Thu, Apr 3, 2014, at 4:48 PM
I'd love to see all the sports you listed have a way more diversity.
Would just make those sports as a whol3 interesting, but it's not like anyone would get the Jackie Robinson treatment if they tried to break into the market. I don't watch any of those sports though and I'm white
-- Posted by formerposterchild on Thu, Apr 3, 2014, at 4:56 PM
When I started this thread, all I wanted was an opinion on why today's athletes act so angry all the time. I'm not talking about isolated incidents like what happened between Dr. J and Bird. I'm not talking about thuggish behavior. Mahorn, Rodman, and Lambier were the original bad boys, and they acted like thugs at times, but at the same time, they didn't act angry every time they blocked a shot or dunked. When Rodman worked his tail off for a rebound and ended up scoring, he ran back down the court, usually with his fist raised, but he didn't look enraged like he wanted to kill the world. That's what I don't understand about today's players. It's not intensity. It's anger. I'm pretty sure Tim Duncan is very intense when he plays, but he doesn't look angry all the time. I'm sorry that I started this thread and it led to all the racism talk. That's not what I intended.
-- Posted by newbie67 on Thu, Apr 3, 2014, at 6:03 PM
See that's what happens when it's slow on here and not much to talk about. Ex. Baseball season. (I had to say that) people find things to argue about. It's having withdrawals from basketball season and football season.
-- Posted by TFA on Thu, Apr 3, 2014, at 6:22 PM
And...... Tim Duncan just shoved Perkins and gets a double-technical and is ejected from the game. Sounds like he got angry.
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Thu, Apr 3, 2014, at 8:49 PM
Sorry don't know if he got ejected, but he did get a technical for shoving a player.
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Thu, Apr 3, 2014, at 8:51 PM
What's your point about his getting angry?
-- Posted by newbie67 on Thu, Apr 3, 2014, at 9:22 PM
Y'all jinxed him haha!!
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Thu, Apr 3, 2014, at 9:25 PM
Actually, Buck, it's easy to understand why there are times when Tim gets angry. He's obviously mixed, and you can tell by the way he conducts himself that he's always tried to suppress one side while personifying the other side. 95% of the time he's mild mannered, and then there's the ugly 5% of the time that he's ashamed of. You see, every morning when Tim Duncan gets up and looks in the mirror, he has to decide which side he's going to embrace, and every morning he says the same thing. "Today, I'm a basketball player, and I will never be a hockey player."
Hook, line, and sinker. I gotcha!!
-- Posted by newbie67 on Fri, Apr 4, 2014, at 6:56 AM
Anybody have any ideas about why today's athletes seem so angry. Game winning shot? Angry. Dunk? Angry. Interception? Angry. Block a shot? Angry. I just don't understand. I thought sports were supposed to be fun. Why so much anger?
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